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Hi, I'm in the process of opening a float center, and I'm doing research as to what tanks/pods to use. I've narrowed it down to the new Float Pod, or the model from Float ES. The Float Pod runs about $19,000, while the one from Float ES runs about $25,000, which includes salt, shipping,and installation.


Has anyone had the chance to experience a float in either of these? Are there any concerns/drawbacks, or positive aspects to each? I think a previous post mentioned possible light leaks in the Float Pod. Any information would be appreciated.

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I am new here. We own the second Float Pod off the factory line. We have been operational now for 10 weeks. We are averaging around 3200.00 a month gross at about 40% occupancy and growing. We designed our studio to accommodate 5 float systems with showers and private bathrooms. So far we are very satisfied with our Float Pod. It has been easy to maintain and the water is very very stable. Customers are very responsive with a lot of good positive feedback. Most tanks have some light infiltration, the secret is to have a dark room to begin with. We have not had any issues with the intercom system, or the light system working correctly. The filtration system works fine. The skimmer on any system is going to take some time to skim, filter the surface. We simply use a small pool skimmer net to quickly go over the surface between customers to assure that we have caught any stray hairs in the water. You would, should, do this with any and every system. The Float Pod system heats during filtration AND most importantly while floating. This is very important in a busy studio. I do not believe that filtration or bubbles during floating would be beneficial to the objective. Sensory Deprivation. Any moving water will cause you to move in the water and collide ever so slowly with one wall or the other. I believe Bubbles would be a nuisance. The semi conscious state of mind is a very subtle and fleeting thing. The very slightest input will shatter the moment.
I did a lot of research for 5 years before buying my first Pod. I have found the Float Pod to be a good value, a fair price, and an easy system to use with very good client feedback. Nick and Royal Spa both have been very responsive in answering questions and giving advice. TrueRest has many years of actual retail experience. Perhaps the most successful float center in the country. They are a valuable ally in the effort.
This whole Float thing is just now beginning to ramp up and several people are going to be getting to the fracas. My advise is to not trust or believe any drawings. It is very easy to make a beautiful drawing. Making a functional practical pod from the drawing is yet another issue. Royal Spa has been in business for many many years and will be there to back the warranty for many years to come. Over the next 5 or 6 years there will be a lot of failed start ups ( manufacturers ) in this business. You want to be careful that you do not end up owning a float pod from a company that is out of business in two years.
We are preparing to purchase our second system to be better accommodate peak float times.
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i did this Float-ES and achieved total deprivation... I didnt collide (apparently the returniing water is designed to keep you centered)- also oxygen bubble were totally awesome- my skin drank them up... good luck
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Thank you for clearing that up Richard. Your response has pushed the Float Pod towards the top of my list!
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The Float-ES was designed BY floaters... not any sort of a knock off- has it all dialed in I think...
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Hi Christopher,

Thanks for the report on the Float Es - its always good to hear first hand experiences.

In looking that the specifications (9 gal/min, 250 gallon capacity), I don't see how the pump and filter can deliver the recommended 3 full turns between clients for a commercial operation. I understand that the pump runs continuously, but isn't it the time between clients that is most important? At 1 full filtration per ~28 minutes, this system doesn't seem designed for public use.
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First time hearing about Float ES. Pretty neat looking.

The Float Pod has received some negative attention for being a knock-off i-Sopod.
We got to try one recently: it had about an inch-sized gap where the hinge is (not light-proof at all), the filtration system wasn't skimming (quite a bit of hair on the surface of the water), the intercom didn't work, and the interior light wouldn't turn all the way off. I'm thinking these issues may just be from them being so new and they'll get the kinks worked out.

**Update 9/17/2013**
The center operator has let us know that the intercom probably works, they just didn't have it connected to anything
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I just floated in the Float-ES. IT IS SWEET. Continuous circulation & heat and meets Florida Commercial Spa Code- no others do! Also has two skimmers for skimming skin & hairs and stuff- no others do. WORTH the money.
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I just read some more earlier posts- the Float-ES is completely dark- very nice- I floated with the Micro Silk Oxygen too- WOW
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Um, has anyone who is NOT the owner ever floated in one of these?
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The Float Spa is installed at Blue Light Floatation and La Casa Day Spa in NYC for nearly 20 years now. Also, High-Tech Floatation Inc in Bristol, PA. The Float Shoppe in Portland has a previously owned unit also. Most of our installs are in private facilities.
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Apparently we are not getting our message out. If you are interested in a company that has a 30+ year track record in this business , please check out http://www.thefloatspa.com
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Awesome, Dave. Can you point us at any centers currently using the float spa?
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Yes, the FloatPod is completely silent, no noise at all. Our clients use ear plugs, but even without them there is no noise. Just make sure the Ipod docking station is turned off if not in use and that the intercom system is turned off when not in use. Total silence.
We have not had anyone with that level of disability try to float but we have discussed it and made plans to anticipate it. Of course it probably means having two people outside the pod, two inside the pod, the client naked and being handed off. However, I know first hand that people with that level of disability are jaded to normal humility. We have given away dozens of floats to people that are suffering from some kind of chronic pain or physical condition. I have given several people 6 free floats so they could try the therapy and see if they get some relief. Of course this is a business for us, but more importantly, it is a gift to suffering people. Physically and emotionally, mentally. If someone needs this but cannot afford it I give it to them. It is discreet for obvious reasons. Having just recently survived Stage Four Throat Cancer, 5 surgeries, 38 Radiation treatments, 4 Chemos, losing several teeth, I can tell you that floating has more than restored my emotional well being. I have a lot of permanent residual issues from my cancer treatments, But floating puts everything in perspective for me. Floating is an amazing coping mechanism. It allowed me to cope and suffer thru some really bad lows. Far better than counseling or consoling. It has calmed my soul. It has instilled in me a calmness I have never enjoyed in my life before floating. It allows me to tolerate my new limitations without the mental anguish that one normally suffers from such a debilitating disease. There is a lot of suffering in the world, physical, emotional, mental. Offering a Sensory Deprivation Tank to the world at large is a generous thing to do, although they do not know until they do it. That is actually a challenge. I have offered free floats to many people that I know could benefit from it that have not redeemed their free floats. This troubles me because I know it can change their life, but they may not believe it.
It is kind of you to consider the "fringe" of humanity. They need this the most...

FYI, it seems I have managed to set up two profiles on here, maybe I can figure out how to merge them.
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Thanks for your comment Richard. I'm also wondering if the Float Pod really is silent while you float, since you've spent some time in there :)

And do you keep the room completely dark then? I've only floated in an Oasis, and both times my eyes registered a subtle red glow in there just from the salt lamp on top of the tank in the otherwise dark room. Ideally of course I want light blockage, but I understand Samadhi is the only company actually pulling this off.

Oh! and have you had any handicapped clients float? I'm very interested in getting folks in a wheelchair some gravity reduction.

Thanks!
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Richard Brown here. The only problem I can foresee with not having a passive heater is if you are booking back to back floats all day. Most laws require three filter cycles before allowing the next person to float. That means about 25 to 30 minutes between floats. This all the heater you have between floats. It may be adequate, but it may also result in a constant yo yo effect with the water. Regular customers are very attuned to the nuances of the pod environment and for the money are not usually very tolerant of "variables". If does turn out to be a problem how does one solve the problem after the fact. I have floated in systems w no passive heater and I can tell you that the water does cool off around 1 to 1.5 degrees in 90 minutes. It is noticeable and distracting.
I think the Genesis by USFloatTanks is a very intriguing design. Their website does not disclose very much about the details of the system. Passive heating, Ozone, UV light, Media filter, Size, float area, how to change the filter. I'm pretty sure this design has an external pump- filter design. This will require additional space and plumbing. Nothing wrong with that if you allow for it. I have been wondering, and I cannot seem to find out, have they actually built one yet? Drawings and images have a weird way of evolving thru the production and manufacturing process. It is a very attractive unit.
There are several companies making pods with a similar appearance to the iSopod. However they are not technically copies. This is a common geometric design, common in nature actually. It is simply the most efficient way to do build a float environment. iSopod is understandably upset that this explosion of business is not necessarily benefitting them, but nothing is stopping them from stepping up their game and making a better product for less money. Innovation is rewarded in the market place.
The only other consideration, again, is the strength of the company. I think it is very important to buy from a company that is building the unit here in the USA. I own a manufacturing business, average 3 million a year in sales, small, but we frequently have discussions with Asian partners. Some design ideas can take a year to pull together. If something goes wrong it is nearly impossible to get it resolved. I am certain that half of todays start ups ( float pods ) will not be in business in two years. I mean, how many of these companies can this industry support. If the Pod is all they do, then 4 months without a sale would be fatal. Royal Spa on the other hand has been in business for decades and has a very robust line of products to help facilitate their cash flow. Because they are so well known they are going to be responsive to warranty issues and customer service . So, I'm not trying to sell their unit, just pointing out some of the reasons I chose them over the others. It is a big purchase, a big decision.
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