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  1. Talia
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I have now had two clients (both whith chronic pain issues, one with RA and the other with Fibromyalgia) complian of discomfort that lasted some time after their float. The woman with RA claimed she awoke the next morning with an RA flair up and was sore throughout the day. Something that hadn't happened to her for quite some time (her RA was well-managed according to her.)


The woman with Fibro claimed she felt nauseous and body sore througout the evening and morning after her first float.


Neither client has ever floated before. I too sometimes experience nausea after a float. This might be TMI for some, but it feels very similar to the nausea I would feel after letdown while nursing my daughter. I had read that letdown triggers a release of oxytocin, which sometimes will create nausea. I am wondering if something similar happens in the float tank with regards to the release of endorphins? Or could it just be an issue with their equilibrium? I also sometimes feel as though I am spinning while in the tank. During my first float that did result in some nausea.


As for the muscle and joint soreness these women experienced - could that have to do with some sort of detoxification process? I would really like to have a good answer for these women as to why they felt what they felt. Right now I'm just taking a wild guess. One women purchased a 3 pack of floats and she is willing to stick things out to see if her experience in the tank improves but I would hate to encourage her if things are not likely to get better.


Any input or advice is greatly appreciated!


Talia

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I visited a floatation facility in Omaha, Nebraska on Saturday, August 25, 2018. I was a first-timer. I am very health and fitness conscious and was looking to expand my personal health pursuits into relaxation/meditation, etc.

I took a recommendation, did some research and then reserved time for my fisrt experience.

I am in great shape. I work out twice/day. I eat clean. My recent annual physical results were perfect. Numbers all in the zone across the board.

Result: I emerged nauseous and a bit sore overall. The nausea got worse and persisted until end of next day. I awoke Sunday morning to a body that was significantly sore all over --- as if I had started a new workout program.

All I did was relax in suspension for 60 mins.

Very unexpected, but real.

Ok by Monday a.m.

Won't be trying again.

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I do appreciate this theory, but I am admittedly a bit skeptical. The CBS gene mutation is theorized to affect a person's ability to process sulfur, not sulfate. They sound similar but are different on a molecular level. From an medical standpoint, we know that people that react to sulfur medications can typically still use sulfate medications without issue.

We're also talking about ingesting a substance, vs. soaking in one. I have looked at the research on this topic pretty extensively. Despite what many float centers claim, there is little evidence that magnesium sulfate is absorbed through the skin, unless the skin is damaged in some way. After much deliberation I actually removed the University of Birmingham study (the Epsom salt bath study funded by the Epsom Salt Council) from our website and we no longer tout floatation therapy as a way to get a dose of magnesium. The aforementioned study has been widely criticized. It was never published in a scientific journal, nor was it ever peer-reviewed. Taking into consideration the myriad of other studies out there, current evidence is far from proving the effectiveness of transdermal absorption.Turns out the stratum corneum is really good at doing what it is designed to do, preventing substances from penetrating the body.

That being said, I am not an expert and I will certainly look into this idea a bit more. Thankfully, over the last three years we've had only three individuals that experienced the nausea/soreness issue mentioned above. Mild nausea that resolves itself by the second or third float is more common but not what I would describe as a pressing issue.

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I am cross-posting from another board because the float community MUST become aware of this issue.

People experiencing bad nausea MAY be having a reaction to sulfate (Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate) if you have a CBS gene mutation expressing and a hampered transsulfuration pathway you can absolutely react and become symptomatic with severe nausea. Just google search to learn more about it. If you are someone who doesn't digest sulfurous foods well (like broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, onion, garlic, etc... or get headaches from wine) then it would be even more likely that your symptoms are coming from gene mutations in the transsulfuration pathway that are expressing... hence leading to symptoms like awful nausea, vertigo, uneasiness, anxiety, and/or a headache when exposed to too much sulfate. I say "too much" because there are many folks with these mutations that do okay with SMALL amounts of sulfurous foods but do NOT do okay when exposed to an abundance of sulfate. Also, from a logical standpoint, I doubt any first timers only remaining in the tank for a short period are having an emotional release of sorts when they have not even been able to relax - but instead have spent their entire (and short) time in the tank trying to push through in discomfort and nausea until they just could not take it anymore. This sounds like a physical reaction to the magnesium sulfate vs an emotional release from relaxing deeply. MANY people with Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc... have this gene mutation expressing which is a puzzle piece to their illness as well as their healing. (You can google keywords: transsulfuration pathway, CBS gene mutation, Dr. Amy Yasko, etc... to learn more)

I am SHOCKED more float owners and those in the float community are not aware of this. Please google search, read up, and spread the awareness.

Not everything is for every body.

Yes, I meant to write every body - as in each individual chemical makeup.

And on a pondering thought of my own..... water holds energy. Think of all the folks who have floated in there without ever having changed the water. Makes me wonder for those who are strong empaths if they can unconsciously and unknowingly absorb some negative funk from that water? I mean a lot of folks 'release' their anxieties, worries, and even their innermost demons in those tanks and LOVE it for that very reason.... but... in what way does that charge the water???? ((Google Dr. Masaru Emoto to learn more about the energy water creates and/or holds))

I am cross-posting this to boards regarding people having bad nausea, vomiting, vertigo, etc... when floating because this information should be known in the float community. Please feel free to share it wherever you like.

Unfortunately, epigenetics is not as well known as it should be in the health community either, BUT as a float owner, this is pretty important information so people's physical reactions to a medical condition is not being dismissed as an emotional release. That being said I fully understand the emotional and energetic components of healing and that IS something that happens to many floaters BUT not every incident can be identified as such - especially without understanding the medical reason that certain folks simply can not take sulfate because of their genetic makeup.

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"fibromyalgia, Lyme, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lupus, MS, RA, etc...." is .a pretty wide net with a lot of different issues, some of which floatation would be perfect for. It is my belief that fibromyalgia and CFT are both diseases of chronic stress. The excessive amounts of ATCH and Cortisol have caused the body to lose its proper regulatory processes responding to inflammation. It is my opinion that this is why floatation is so good for them, as it is the exact opposite environment that caused the issue.

In my mind, if there is a genetic issue some people have with sulfur/sulfate, then we should simply keep this discussion to those people and not blow it up and potentially scare of the very people who would most benefit from floatation.
  1. Kane Mantyla
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Hi Kane - very true... I meant to reiterate that - that some folks simply experience nausea for their first few or even first handful of floats then are fine. Though that information is out there about floating. What I am hoping is to shed some light on a very serious topic that thus far seems completely unbeknownst to the float community. So people new to floating who here you may have to push through a handful of bad ones to get to that point would never get there if their personal reaction is indeed coming from gene mutations that are expressing. This is very serious for people with fibromyalgia, Lyme, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lupus, MS, RA, etc....



I really hope this message will be seen. I hope the worldwide float community will spend a little time to read, research, and understand how this affects those with autoimmune diseases and such.



  1. michelle
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It's a valid position, thanks for posting. I actually threw up my first float, but it had more to do with motion sickness than anything. I get very sick if I can't see and that first float had me flipping backwards. I have since floating hundreds of hours and never felt nauseated again, nor do I fill like I'm flipping.



I do think bodies are different and there are probably a group of people, who for genetic reasons, don't react well in the environment.



When it comes to energy, I used to think I had to clear the tanks after each float, but I realized, if it is energetic, than my consciousness has power. I simply create an intention and I'm not bothered.
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It's good she's coming back. The detox or "emotional purge reaction" are the most common explanations I've heard given by float center owners. I've also wondered if the zero point stillness aspect and the sense of floating can cause an initial sense of disequilibrium or vertigo in some people.


Talia, are you participating in the Fibro Float Project?http://fibromyalgiaflotationproject.com


Does anyone have an update on this project?

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Emotional purge reaction - that is a great term. I would say that almost certainly applies to the patient with RA. She had a very unusual, not all that pleasant experience in the tank. While she was floating she experienced some really intense visions/hallucinations. Deeply emotional stuff. When she told me about her flair-up the next day I have to say I instantly thought to myself that it was more psychological than physical...



"I've also wondered if the zero point stillness aspect and the sense of floating can cause an initial sense of disequilibrium or vertigo in some people."



I absolutely believe that is true. I feel like I experienced that quite intensely my very first float. I felt like I was slowly spinning within the tank and definitely felt some nausea. I have felt that same sensation temporarily during subsequent floats, but never as strongly as I did my first time.



We are participating in the Fibro Float Project. So far we have just two participants. I will say the process is a bit confusing. One of the administrators admitted to me that some procedures had changed and they hadn't yet gotten the website updated to reflect those changes (for example, the intake form is now electronic rather than on paper, which isn't mentioned anywhere.) But the real issue is there isn't a step-by-step procedure for the enrollment/participation process clearly posted anywhere on the site.



That being said, when I emailed them with questions I received responses quickly - however I still found myself pretty much fumbling through enrollment with our first participant. Thankfully that learning curve is pretty short. It's going to be much easier with subsequent participants since I now am familiar with the process.
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I did find this article linking magnesium levels to nausea - however Livestrong isn't always known as being the most scientifically accurate place for info. I am sure there is something to it however, seeing as how magnesium levels have such a wide range of impact on the body.


http://www.livestrong.com/article/525776-magnesium-nausea/



It might just be a combination of all of the ideas mentioned above.



The client complaining of the nausea is coming back in for her second float today. I'm interested in seeing how that goes for her!

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There's not much research yet on the skin transmissivity of Magnesium, but I've wondered if there people who react with nausea as a result of abrupt excess of magnesium in the body. Any thoughts on this?

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Hi there,I had about a handful of customers at the float shop I worked at complain of naseau and had read back then that it could either be a result of a heavy detox that person was experiencing (which said could happen the first time or two for that reason but gets better) or it could be a result of the tank temperature being too hot. An idea could be to have ginger candies on hand to help with the nausea.


Looks like there could be different reasons for the fibro flare up but this article listed temperature changes and treatment changes as potential culprits so perhaps one of those:http://www.healthcentral.com/chronic-pain/c/5949/151398/fibromyalgia/


Glad she's going to try and stick with it...something I discovered to naturally help with the pain/flare ups is the spice tumeric (available in capsule supplement form which I find the easiest or can make a tea with the root I believe or add the spice to food). It works just like aspirin but is natural and has many other benefits too so perhaps you could recommend that in conjunction in the meantime.

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